About Our Guest- Manex Ibar – Shamanism and the convergence of science and spirituality

Manex Ibar is a spiritual speaker, reputed ceremonial leader, and powerful business guide. He is a multi-talented spiritual scientist and entrepreneur of consciousness and sustainable life systems, guiding individuals and businesses towards optimization through a combination of modalities including Human Design, Energetics, Remote Viewing, Shamanism, Kabbala, and genetics. Born with clairvoyance abilities and heightened intuition, he is deeply invested in science, media, sound, nature, and spirituality. Manex has helped digitize brands such as the NFL, MLB, Muppet Babies, Universal Pictures properties, Sony Pictures properties, Star Wars and Ty Beanie Babies, becoming the youngest Sony executive as VP of New Media & Technologies by the age of 23. He founded a non-profit organization, Vth Season, and his own company Vurse Media, producing trans-media campaigns and managing artists using new technologies and social media platforms..

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Manex Ibar 00:00
There is a consciousness and this is where it becomes really wild. That’s almost talking to you while you’re having the experience right. And each plant has a different kind of personality and for the scientific mind. That’s crazy.

Diva Nagula 00:23
Welcome to another episode of From Doctor to Patient. Today, I am pleased to bring you Manex Ibar who is a spiritual speaker, reputed ceremonial leader and powerful business guy. He’s a multi talented spiritual scientist and entrepreneur of consciousness and sustainable life systems, guiding individuals and businesses towards optimization through a combination of modalities including human design, energetics, remote viewing, shamanism, Kabbalah, and genetics. Born with clairvoyance, abilities and heightened intuition. He’s deeply invested in science, media, sound, nature and spirituality Manex has helped digitize brands such as the NFL, MLB, Universal Pictures, Sony Pictures Properties, Star Wars, and TY Beanie Babies, becoming the youngest Sony executive as Vice President of new media and technologies. By the age of 23. He founded a nonprofit organization and his own company, Verse media producing transmedia campaigns, and managing artists using new technologies and social media platforms. Manex, It’s a pleasure to have you, thank you for being a guest on the show. And I might add, not only are you here as a guest, but you’re also a dear friend and mentor. So thank you.

Manex Ibar 02:02
It’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Wow, nice introduction.

Diva Nagula 02:09
I aim to please my friend.

Manex Ibar 02:11 Excellent.

Diva Nagula 02:12
Let’s just talk about shamanism. It’s an interesting topic. A lot of people are trying new things with their life and trying experiments. And I just really want to have you come on and discuss various topics. But what is a shaman? What is shamanism?

Manex Ibar 02:37
That’s a great question. And I think there’s this incredible resurgence of shamanism today, and defining it is quite interesting. Originally, the shaman word comes from Siberia. And it meant the one who knew. And usually it was a person that was kind of in the fringe living in nature and communing with spirits of nature, and trying to bring balance back into their society or their tribes. And that included doing ceremonies, doing healing, working with the plants and creating concoctions for healing, and then also just working with spirits, specifically, mostly. And then that kind of got taken by archaeologists who went and visited many different indigenous people. And there was always a couple people that just didn’t fit our own Western world definition of positions that say, and so a lot of different categories got kind of put under this term shaman were for indigenous people, let’s say the kind of ceremonial master versus the plant person versus the spiritual Oracle psychic, versus let’s say the the body manipulator all had different terms yet, because we didn’t really know that we just kind of stuck them into shaman. Now there’s a definition that we all kind of agree on with Shaman, is it’s somebody who connects with the spiritual world, the unseen, and can travel into that world, and basically bring back information for the client for the culture for the company, whatever it is. And I think one of the primary definitions is it’s either you’re brought into lineage, by birth, or you get initiated by nature, or by a teacher, and usually that encompasses having to die, to basically be able to go into the spiritual world, and then come back. And then that’s part of the initiation is to do that continuously, even fluidly. And so that’s kind of what I hear about shamanism.

Diva Nagula 04:43
So when you say have to die, do you physically go through death where you have no breathing and your heart rate stops? Is that typically what you describe as a death when you go through this process?

Manex Ibar 04:57
It pretty much is like the real medical death. You have to go into that other realm where you’re no longer living in the physical realm. And then somehow you come back. And so most traditional cultures, when that would happen, so it’s kind of like our near death experiences that many people happen. Was considered a very special moment, and a initiation by nature, to call that person into that work of being a bridge between spirit and the material world.

Diva Nagula 05:31
And for you, did you feel a calling that this work was that was calling you to become a shaman
or be initiated as a shaman? Or what made you think that this was the right path for you?

Manex Ibar 05:45
I think, yeah, it’s more of a calling, even though I think I resisted it a lot. I mean, I was brought up in an indigenous kind of way of thinking, which is the Basque people in Europe. And they’re very close to nature. And they have been there for 35,000 years. And so they have kind of a different way. And it was always connected to nature. But then I had the French culture. And then when I moved to the US, when I was eight, I went into this deep depression, and kind of got out of it with sports and music. And right around that moment, I had this weird experience out in the woods, and pop out of my body kind of like had this weird, near death experience. But I don’t really know what the shock, there wasn’t a shock, it was really a special place, I guess. And I popped out of my body. Meanwhile, at seven years old, I had gotten kicked out of the Catholic Church, just because I was laughing at the priests. So I didn’t go through communion. I didn’t go through any of that spiritual aspects. And my dad was a physicist. So I just said, Okay, forget all the religious stuff. They’re hopeless, and they’re just telling us stories. And I went into the physics and the science, and then the music, and then the sports, right, so very kind of traditional American culture, going to the hockey games, all that. But after this pop, when I left my body, randomly at this moment in the forest in Connecticut, at 14, that really triggered a lot of intrigue, because I didn’t understand what was going on at that point. And when I did pop, I blended with all of nature spirits. I mean, I remember kind of almost being an owl, but then also being a bat, but also being a mouse and understanding their whole game of the bat and the owl trying to get this food, and having to kind of like understand each other and how the trees were communicating. I mean, it was just incredible how I just melted into everything, which definitely made me say, well, then I must be dead. And yet my body’s standing, but I’m not in my body. I’m looking above my body. And then I came back into my body. And I won’t go into the all the details of what happened. In that moment. I mean, my shadow played some weird tricks on me. And there was a song. And anyways, when I came back into my body, it was wild, I could feel the dew I could feel my breath, come back, and I was like, wow, I’m alive. And then I was like, oh, shit, the concert because I was playing a concert. And then had to go play the concert, and then came back and was like, what was that. And it just kind of played in my head for quite a long time, trying to understand what had happened because it didn’t make any scientific sense. Except if somehow I lost consciousness. I went into delusion, or this kind of description of these near near death aspects. But it just kind of stayed with me. And then of course, my friends kind of made fun of me. And so I didn’t really want to push it out. And there’s no room in our culture to really, or at least, when I grew up in the 80s, there wasn’t that room to talk about this kind of stuff. Right? Real spiritual experiences, you were kind of laughed at. And it was when I was 16. I was in France. And I asked my aunt who is more into this kind of world, if she knew some house somewhere, somebody who did some type of ceremony for the new moon, or the full moon, because the moon is very present during that moment when I had an outer body experience. And she opened her like address book and was like, here, there’s like these three people. I called one and decided to go, he came and invited me to basically do a sweat lodge ceremony. And there I met him, Jackie Bailey, who’s now passed, and there was also Archie Firelander, which was a Native American. So funny enough, I go to the Alps in France to go meet a Native American, and this Druid guy, and it was this incredible experience the sweat lodge. And that’s pretty much when the teacher finds the student and the student finds the teacher kind of thing like that just happened. I didn’t know what was going on. And they were pretty impressed with I guess what I was able to see and perceive and I started an apprenticeship, now for me, that was coming. I’m like, Okay, I guess all of us need some spiritual path. And this is my personal one, because I’m not religious. And I’m not going through that. So I just took in, it’s kind of like this other spiritual thing. And what I liked about it is they gave you direct experiences. The sweat lodge was really intense. It’s super hot, and you have to kind of confront certain fears. But yet the liberation that happened, I started seeing colors and auras. And I was just like, what is this and started reconnecting to that feeling of when I had left my body? That’s where the apprenticeship started. And then after that, it just kind of followed me everywhere.

Diva Nagula 10:39
Wow! So after that, at what age were you then?

Manex Ibar 10:42
I was 16, when I started, and so then I studied with them a lot, like, especially in the summers, when I would go back to Europe and then get in contact, they gave me so much reading. I mean it was pretty well, it’s some of the stuff they said, back, this is like back about ’92. They talked about all this conspiracy stuff with UFOs and extraterrestrials and the conspiracy of an Illuminati and I thought they were just crazy. And what’s amazing to have had that information in the 90s, where there was no internet and to now see it everywhere on the internet really well produced. And there’s all this stuff, it’s really fascinating to have been privileged to that kind of information, but more so they were able to give me these traditional experiences that really push your boundaries almost make you die, at least especially physical ego death, and really changed my perception of what is really going on. And eventually, my clairvoyance popped. And so I started seeing auras just naturally. And then I was trained into how to really use that. But so that’s basically been my practice in terms of helping to heal people, is using that gift of being able to see auras and chakras and energy inside of people and really playing with that. And so either giving them other experiences that basically some of my teachers gave me, because I know what it does energetically, like spending a lot of time in nature or using plants also that they taught me how to use. So then there’s many different levels of plants. And that’s where in shamanism there’s this huge part, which is about learning nature’s gifts, the plants, and there’s master plants and more daily plants, let’s say, and they all have their effects.

Diva Nagula 12:31
And with these plants, is this a way of trying to get you into an alternate state of consciousness
by consuming these plants and undergoing some sort of ego death, if you will?

Manex Ibar 12:44
Yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s one of the aspects of some of the master plans, I think what happens is, consciousness leads energy, and then energy leads matter. So you always have to deal with the conscious mental understanding of the process, which then can help move the energetics and not get stuck in a routine of the same kind of conscious thought that then loops the energetics which then creates the physical pain or suffering or symptom. And, and so you always have to play with the consciousness. Now what happens is, there’s certain plants that can like Bach flower essences, for example, very common plants, and you make a simple treatment with water and light, and you bring that essence of the plant into the water. And just by drinking, that, you’re going to shift your subtle energy, your memory in your cells, and your consciousness. And that will shift your energy and then you can get really much better. Master plants are much more initiate initiatory I’ll say where basically, they’re really intense. And yes, at that point, you get to have your ego smashed, and you move into that area of spirit, basically, and you lose kind of control. And you start seeing the bigger picture. And so those are kind of called master plans, because they are masters. Now on top of it, there is a consciousness and this is where it becomes really wild. That’s almost talking to you while you’re having the experience. Right. And each plant has a different kind of personality that say, and for the scientific mind, that’s crazy. plants don’t have personalities. Well, initial monochrome, they do and everything does I mean each tree there’s a species that say, willows will have a certain healing, quality and a certain essence, but then within the different willows. There’s different personalities when we really get into the spiritual.

Diva Nagula 14:49
That’s fascinating. And I really want to get more into like a discussion of masterplans but let’s say two steps backward and talk more about consciousness. You know that what is expanded consciousness or alternate consciousness. What are we doing? It’s a whole huge discussion. I don’t even know where to start. So since you’re very familiar and this is kind of what you work with. So I would love to get some definitions and just kind of explain what these things mean.

Manex Ibar 15:19
Amazing. Thanks for putting me on the spot. It is an incredible subject. And I think it’s the frontier right now that science and spirituality are at a meeting point. The big argument right now that we’re trying to figure out is whether consciousness is comes from the physical brain, and therefore is attached to the physical body? Or is it separate? And is it something else? Right? And obviously, the hardcore scientist and materialists are going to say, and believe that it’s very much related to the brain. The shamans will say, No, no, no, it’s related to something external, which is actually the spiritual. And the brain is a result of that. And so I guess, my whole initiation because I did hold on to the scientific part of me, my whole family, our doctors and engineers, and this and that. So even when I went and had these experiences, I was always confronted with a very rational need to explain what I was doing and having kind of a scientific thing, which is very hard when you’re having personalized experiences, right? Because there’s no more common denominator or testing grounds yet. It is subjective. And yet, I’m having these conscious experiences, changing my awareness. And so that started going into, okay, what is consciousness? Which is actually funny that conscience has science in it and it’s with science, really. So our consciousness, the way that I see we have the frontal lobe, like the conscious awareness where we’re talking right now, and we can be aware that I’m talking to you and this and that, and I’m aware that my existence and we kind of talk about consciousness as the awareness of yourself, right? But then there’s this sub consciousness. And we understand that from psychology and this and that, that there’s this whole other world. And now science is saying, Well, actually, their subconscious is controlling our consciousness. Most decisions are actually made in the subconscious, and then the conscious makes that decision for us. So that sort of questioning… It’s a CEO with a board in the back. And so what’s going on in the subconscious? And what is that, and that’s been an interesting study, and I think, that’s exactly where the shaman goes, is in the subconscious world. And then what I’ve been shown, and experience is that there’s another super consciousness, which is really external, and is maybe even beyond the human comprehension. But that actually is connected to every other consciousness. So like, you can actually start seeing that… let’s say ego has a certain conscious frequency. And I’d like to talk about frequencies and this is how I actually talked about spirits is their conscious frequencies. So ego has a certain frequency, human beings have a certain frequency, and trees have a certain frequencies. And that can you can get into the specifics. And that’s the colorization. And the specifics of that tree let’s say the willow. And then that specific willow is going to have its own thing because of its environment. But the willow in itself, is always connected to that conscious frequency. That makes what a willow is. And this is how we’re connected in the subconscious. The subconscious is pretty chaotic. But it actually does have an order. It’s just very different. And I think part of the game of spirituality is to become more aware, bring consciousness to our subconscious patterning, and understand those patterns and the archetypes as we call them, that can actually run through us and then work with them in harmony. As we become more and more aware. And really almost I would say all of life is about that just coming into this physical realm to bring more awareness, therefore consciousness of this subconscious, and even superconscious messages.

Diva Nagula 19:27
So would it be safe to say that the superconscious is sort of like the collective unconscious? And
also, is that consistent with source? Or is that two separate things?

Manex Ibar 19:41
I would probably call it that. Yes, but when we say collective, it’s not the human collective. It’s
really the cosmic collective.

Diva Nagula 19:51 It’s everything?

Manex Ibar 19:53
It’s everything. And yet each individual Expo, all humans, we’re all trees can connect to that. Super Consciousness, that divine source consciousness. And it’s quite fascinating because then you go into Okay, yes, there is an intelligence in the universe. And I think that’s, that’s amazing that can bring us a lot of faith. There is an intelligence now whether we understand it or not, that’s a whole different thing. And I think that’s the whole point of consciousness is how far can we get to this super consciousness. And I remember Archie actually saying the word for God in Lakota is Wakan. And it just means, like the thing that it’s the mystery. And there’s a reason we call it that. And then the human brain wants to figure out everything, but there’s a certain cap to the fact that we’re just human. And so we want to understand certain things of that great mystery, right? We’re just not able, but at the same time, what we can do is really gain tremendous awareness of our relationships with what’s around us and the people around us and how we act like, why are we acting this way? Why are you angry? Why are you sad? Why are you happy? And that’s the wise that’s becoming the meaning, which I think is where we start touching upon the superconsciousness.

Diva Nagula 21:18
And the subconscious, I guess, for us on this physical Earth, we’re able to access our
subconscious by mostly dreaming, is that correct?

Manex Ibar 21:31
Yeah, I mean, dreaming is the most common way. And it’s interesting, because it’s like half our life, we dream. So we’re in our subconscious, and then half our life, we’re in the awakened state of just awareness, and consciousness. I think now, they actually have broad subconscious. And then there’s an unconsciousness. There’s two levels of the subconsciousness that they’re trying to figure out that they have like, figured out and so that’s, that’s where it becomes interesting, because I think that that’s a deeper level of subconscious is probably the human collective unconscious are consciousness. And then we have our individual unconscious, and then our individual conscious awareness. Right. And so I think we have the ability to understand our own unique subconsciousness, which gives us access to the collective. And by us understanding, and in a way aligning to our subconsciousness, our unique subconscious patterns, we can then be a tool to raise the collective.

Diva Nagula 22:39
Interesting. And when you talk about like, like energetics, I think I remember you talking about an incident where there’s an experiment done, where there were two photons that were taken from a specific region together, and then they were separated. And then there was a magnet applied to one of the photons. And even though there were separated, it actually affected the spin of the photon that was separated from where the other photon with the magnet that was attached to it. I mean, that’s fascinating.

Manex Ibar 23:10
It basically proves that there’s an information field, which can travel at least twice the speed of light, these photons are light. And they literally, they went one meter one way and one meter the other way. So you’re at two meters flying at opposite speeds, at the speed of light, you’re at twice the speed of light. And the magnet was put on one side and instantaneously the other one started spinning in the same way that the magnet was. So we definitely know that there’s some information fielders that there’s some way of being connected, those two photons are so connected instantly. And they did a little bit of a research also in 2007, where they found that sound has two levels, there’s the kind of the slower sound, the 380 meters per second kind of sound frequency, which planes when they pass that Mach one, Mach two, etc, you have that sonic boom. But actually sound also goes way faster than light. So somehow they can, same kind of experience, but with sound that re harmonized by itself through distance faster than the speed of itself traveling. There’s definitely this other field. And I like that there’s a French philosopher physicist that talked a lot about that. And he’s got an incredible book, I wish it was translated in English, about the superluminous man and also super luminous healing. And so he talks about energy and consciousness, and the physical and how that all works together. But he was basically saying how light is almost that barrier between consciousness which goes faster than light, and that’s everything that goes faster than light, and then matter which is slower than light and can then become heavy. And that as humans were amazing because we can bridge the two The whole world is this light refraction. And we kind of live in this hologram that makes us feel matter which is real, but it’s organized in a specific way. And then we can also go into the dream world, and this whole other subconscious world. And to me, what I see because of the auras and energy that I see is that there’s a bridge that is also in the unseeable by conventional optics, we can all kind of tune into that by training, which is to see this energy field that translates the conscious into energy into the body into the matter, right. And so it’s it’s a light field in a way, because that’s where the bridges, but it’s a light. That’s very diffused, and I think there’s an electromagnetic component. So we could detect it scientifically, and I think Carl Ross in Canada has been developing patents to try to do that. In Russia, they’ve been coming up with many different bio, energetic receptors and diagnostic tools. And I think science really needs to start putting some attention to this. Because there’s a lot there. I mean, that’s what my whole healing practice for the last 15 years has been concentrated on that. Because I see it, and I was trained in it. But I also teach people how to access that too.

Diva Nagula 26:25
Kind of one of the things I wanted to discuss too, but energetics and vibrational energy and increasing frequencies. Can you talk to us a little bit about how that works, and like how certain foods and certain thoughts can increase our vibrational frequency. And it could go the other way around certain thoughts and foods could also decrease our vibrational frequency. And so what is the advantage of raising your frequency or lowering your frequency? What does all that mean?

Manex Ibar 26:53
That’s an interesting question. I mean, if you think that matter kind of gets organized by a certain vibration, right, and our human state, let’s say, of consciousness is a certain vibration at a base, when we go lower than that, we start malfunctioning, versus when we raise our frequency, we start optimizing. And so understanding your unique frequency, one, is crucial. And then basically, we have to understand that everything that you put into your body, and that means visual, auditory, food, smells, thoughts, everything that you nourish yourself with is going to have an impact. And if you’re nourishing yourself with low frequency, you’re obviously gonna drop in frequency, which is okay, if you are aware of it. And you can be in control of that. If you’re not, and you keep doing it and becomes a pattern, you’re obviously going to fall into a low frequency, which is most likely going to get you sick. And what it is, is your body kind of just saying, hey, retune, come back into natural frequency. And so oftentimes, we see that obviously, junk food, alcohols, like all sorts of things that basically lower your frequency also come with a certain pleasure, which is kind of a funny thing, right? So we kind of like getting dirty in a way. I mean, if you think of even sex, it could be kind of dirty, but it’s really, really good, right? So there’s this whole like dopamine system and kind of ecstatic need to go into that darkness, which is, to me, where we’re also learning about our subconscious, where we’re learning about our own inner innate darkness. And we need to go and explore that. So it’s part of the process is almost like we train ourselves to go clean ourselves up, and then understand, what was that? Why are we addicted to it? What becomes dangerous is when we’re not conscious that we’re doing this. And you’re just doing out of habit or cultural means. And so yes, food, thought, emotions like one of the biggest things I feel on the planet that we’re really evolving from on an emotional conscious level is the victim state. And the victim state is a triangle that has a victim, which obviously needs a prosecutor or somebody that’s hurt that victim or made that victim, whether it’s the big man and the big government, or whether it’s the rapist or whether it’s the police man, that gives you a ticket. I mean, whatever it is, and then of course, you need the savior. Which I think if you look at all our religious, we always are looking for this savior that can save us, which perpetually puts us in the victim state and therefore we’re always arguing about somebody who’s making us feel that victim, right? But actually, if you see that as just a conscious frequency, that’s actually very negative, but yet necessary to understand, the patterns of things it actually helps have patients and therefore you need a doctor, right, which is a savior. And then you need the virus, that’s the bad guy. And that’s just on the physical level. But actually, if you move out of that frequency, and it’s pretty easy, anytime you see yourself complain, or blame, you’re in a victim state.

Diva Nagula 30:26 Interesting, yes.

Manex Ibar 30:27
Conscious frequency, right. And so very quickly, you can stop. And actually what that moves you into is awareness. And very quickly, gratitude. And gratitude is a very high frequency, it can start bringing compassion, which is actually what the Dalai Lama talks a lot about. And what most spiritual teachers will say is raise up your frequency, by gratitude, by thankfulness by conscious awareness. What do they mean by that? Well, by being conscious of what you’re tuning into, Are you tuning into, you know, the sunshine, or the storm and the darkness and the garbage and the nightlife? I mean, okay, if you’d like the nightlife great, but make it balanced with a lot of sunshine, or a lot of positive thinking, and maybe cleansing and juicing and all this kind of stuff. Unfortunately, I think our we don’t have that kind of education that teaches us, here’s the positive energy frequencies, here’s the negative ones. Have fun, go play, right and find balance, otherwise, you’re going to suffer.

Diva Nagula 31:32
And if I’m not mistaken, there’s, I think you described that there’s 14 frequencies that exist?

Manex Ibar 31:39
There’s so many, but I think there’s the main frequencies in the energy body, for the human. In the potentials, there’s 13, basically, chakras, we’ll call them, is that what you’re talking about in terms of the frequencies?

Diva Nagula 31:54
No, for some reason I thought that there is a certain number of frequencies that we attain from
a low energetic perspective to a higher energetic perspective.

Manex Ibar 32:02
No, I mean, each person is certain, I forget which doctor did this back in the 50s, they actually measured all the different foods, they measured a lot of different humans that they could see that there’s a certain frequency that the human stays that, that is healthy, that is optimal, and then starts falling into disease. And that goes from the cold to then the cancers, and, and much more problematic diseases. And so one of the things that they found, which is also quite amazing is that plants definitely have a certain frequency and can by out interaction, raise our frequency, or drop it. And one of the things that they found also is that essential oils almost, so from the same plan, the essential oil has almost 10 times or 100, times sometimes the frequency of the original plant. So somehow the processing, you augment the frequency of that plant, so essential oils, even using them, even if it’s just lavender, for example, every day will help raise your frequency.

Diva Nagula 33:07
And when you say use do you mean applying topically or smelling or a combination of?

Manex Ibar 33:14
Yeah, both, I mean, obviously, the smell helps with a psycho emotional aspect that goes straight into the old brain that’s very much about the emotions. And it just helps you move through it. I mean, it’s amazing that smell… when you smell something, it immediately brings you back into some emotion, memory, something like that. And so by smelling it continuously, it might have been a trauma. So you don’t like that smell. The more you smell that and you see the flower that say, you’ve actually started clearing that trauma. So that’s the first part.

Diva Nagula 33:49
So does it actually clear the trauma and let it process? Or does it actually just bury it more?

Manex Ibar 33:55
It doesn’t bury it, it actually brings it up to the surface so that you can feel it. Most of the time trauma is just, it’s again, a fact, or a life experience. That was so intense, that somehow we didn’t have the time to process that finish experience and finish it. So we kind of like put it away, right in the closet of got to deal with that later. Well, because we haven’t processed it, we’re still afraid of it. Right? And that becomes our shadow and our closet becomes really big because our life is so fast. And we need to like advance and we need to succeed, we need to have like 20 things to do before you get to sleep. So you can achieve every goal that you want. But the key is to actually go look at that closet and go deal with those those experiences and daily they happen right? I mean, it can be just as stupid as somebody cuts you off while you were just driving peacefully and all of a sudden you get shocked and you don’t understand what just happened and you carry that but Okay, you got to keep going because the guy behind is beeping now and this and that and so you leave behind. Well, it’s still there. Yeah, like it was a little bruise like he just cut you off, it’s kind of rude to obviously much bigger problems that can happen. Right. And, and we don’t… I mean, I think a lot of times we just kind of bury it. Now the emotion, the the essential oil or these plants are going to stimulate that emotion to come back up to the surface so that you can actually learn from it. Bring conscious awareness and resolve the whole experience. And this is how we raise our consciousness.

Diva Nagula 35:36 Got it.

Manex Ibar 35:37
And actually, as we raise our consciousness, we’re also raising a frequency.

Diva Nagula 35:41 Right.

Manex Ibar 35:42
Versus when we bury that we’re actually lowering our frequency. And that’s part of the way the conscious thing is, I mean, obviously, if you’re eating really bad food, and you live in a really dark environment, and it’s all moldy and dusty, and no light, yeah, you’re gonna get sick, but you could do that, and then be like a Buddhist monk that’s bringing in super high consciousness and maybe balance it out. That takes a lot of training, though.

Diva Nagula 36:08
Is there an objective way to measure the frequency that you’re at any given time?

Manex Ibar 36:14
I mean, there’s different ways I think you have to be trained that would be what would be amazing is to have some medical devices, there could be like a ring that you wear, and that can actually detect your energetics so that you could really see what you’re processing and actually tune into that. Unfortunately, it’s not there yet. And this guy, I mean, there is some research is being done. I think a lot of people still call it woowoo. And therefore, you know, when it’s woowoo investments are hard to come by. But I would say in the next 10 years, we’re going to see a huge amount of devices, medical devices that are starting to tune into that. I mean, heartmath is an incredible organization that’s doing a lot of that kind of testing on what is this energy field. And they’ve they’ve actually measured that the heart has this really big energy field. And it interacts with people like at a distance further than our reach right? already. And then they’ve also realized that the gut also has this huge kind of field. And it receives all this information. And they’re they’re starting to get into the mathematics that say, of these energy fields.

Diva Nagula 37:21
Doesn’t the heart had the same frequency as mother earth?

Manex Ibar 38:03
Exactly. I mean, that’s that’s how we stay in connection is when we say we’re grounded. It’s actually our hearts open and connected to Mother Earth. And so most of our decisions or mental processes are in alignment, when we’re this connected, and I think today, unfortunately, there’s a lot of people that are disconnected because we just live in cities, and we’re born in cities, and we never go out to nature, which is new in the last 100 years. We disconnect, and we get into that frenzy, psychotic aspect where that stress anxiety, we don’t know how to ground our decisions. We don’t know what a good decision is. And so we can get also wrapped up into whatever somebody else is saying is good with confidence, even though it might be completely insane. Personally, I think that’s how some of the decisions have been made is that not being grounded into head is just thinking about nature for a second, right? Let’s think about ourselves, because that’s what nature is. We are nature.

Diva Nagula 39:39
You’re alluding to how over the last 100 years, we’ve been moving towards the cities, and less in nature. And I guess while being in the cities, you’re exposed to a lot of EMF. This actually is really horrible for us and we’re moving into a state where we’re going to be experiencing more 5G and that’s just going to disrupt so much of our frequencies, and it’s going to prevent us from allowing us to be more grounded. And that’s what we desperately need is to be more grounded and be more one with nature.

Manex Ibar 40:15
Yeah, I mean, it’s interesting that there’s this awakening of shamanism and therefore, one of… I’m gonna go on a tangent for a second, my whole training of seeing spirits. First of all, I didn’t want to use plants to see spirits first, so I really learned through the non-plants. But the fact is plants, when I did start working with the master plants that make you see, I got to see how it was a nice technology. For people who just don’t have the time to go get initiated, to really open up all their awareness and this and that. And so with this plants, you can actually start seeing this energy, you can start having this revelations of this whole other side of yourself, right. And I think that’s why there’s been such a huge opening of these plants that are being studied medically, that are being used and that shamans are popping up everywhere is because there’s a massive need for it for people to understand and have more meaning and tune in to their frequency, so that they can feel better. And so that’s the first connection to nature. And one of the things that these plants are doing, basically, they’re bringing us to that awareness. First, they’re helping us heal and on a personal level, but there’s always this reconnect to nature, come back to nature. And I think most of the people that are awakening to these plants do come back and regain a connection and an appreciation for what nature can do. That’s much beyond the just natural resource of, oh, there’s a piece of wood, let’s make a table. Or let’s make house with it. It’s not let’s commune with this tree, because actually, it’s alive. And it’s communing with me and talking to me and can help me.

Diva Nagula 42:02
And I want to like get into all… this is a great transition to start talking about the master plants. And there’s a huge, huge awareness of these entheogenic plants that have been in existence for many years. And there’s a lot of science that has been backing and a lot of research backing the benefits of some of these plants, for raising consciousness and also for treating mental disorders like depression, anxiety, PTSD, and some of these substances are not natural, right there. They’re manmade. And they’re synthetic. What is your opinion with utilizing these synthetic substances versus a natural substances?

Manex Ibar 42:51
Okay, I mean, I think I’m going to start just by saying that at a certain level, whatever relieves suffering is good. Right? But then we have to tune into Okay, what are the consequences of that quick relief? And is it sustainable? And does it have side effects. I think with the pharmaceuticals, there’s been some incredible developments. I mean, like just very simple things like penicillin and aspirin, it’s great that we have access to that right all over the world on a cheap way. And it does have a massive effects. And we’ve gotten into these incredible fine tuned technologies. But most of it comes from nature, originally, and we’re extracting those molecules. And what happens with that is we we kind of break the whole consciousness of the plant in a sense, that has all these other molecules that are playing with it, and they make the constitution. But it’s not good for business, because we can’t patent it. So that we have to understand. So we’re not getting the full effect that nature can give us. Yet we’re using some of the same molecules. And that’s unfortunate, because that means a lot of times we can find the equivalent in nature, that’s gonna be with the entourage effects of all the other molecules healthier for us, because we can actually process it without the negative effects. That’s one thing on a very physical level. So, for example, MDMA or ketamine, which are two substances that are being used therapeutically, that have these incredible effects of being able to open us up and bring us into more awareness. There is also a side effect to that which is like they deplete you from your serotonin. So like two days after you’ve had that epiphany and the breakthrough, which is important, and it’s sustaining, you have to be really guided into the depression that you’re going to have two days later, or the weakness or also the energetic effects that these chemicals are doing to us. Because of the lack of the entourage, that helps integrate it into our biological form. Because all these molecules are made in nature with other components that actually help it stay very, I’d say, organic. And and, and I mean organic, like biosoluble in a way, and absorbable in a healthy way. Now, one of the things that we’ve focused on is the poppy seed, like the heroin and the morphine and that plant. So when we talk about the shamanism aspect, that each plant has a frequency, a consciousness and therefore an energy, right? Well, the poppy seed just brings us into kind of a dark world, a very like, low, illusionary dark place that relieves suffering, because it brings us into this illusion that there’s this massive side effects that you have to go and deal with this lower frequency, that on top of it is very addictive. Right. So this is very, very addictive component to it. Versus for example, DMT, which you find in ayhuasca, and can actually find in most plants, and even in our own in your land, right, brings you into a very high frequency world, almost like the light. So it takes away the pain as well, because you don’t feel it while your mind is distracted. But now you’re actually gaining consciousness. So it’s why aren’t we using more of that substance, for example versus the other? Right? Those are questions, I wonder a lot, and especially since those higher frequency kind of conscious plants, really not only bring us higher consciousness, so they they’re actually helping us see things, they actually have a high frequency. So they bring us in high frequency. So they really are truly healing us and not hooking us into this addictive patterns or depleting us and making us feel horrible. And energetically, obviously, when you have the full compound of the organic plant substaince the energetics isn’t affected, like I see a lot of MDMA and ketamine actually close the heart energetically, which is not a good thing for healing. So even though it’s opening up the heart during the effects, and opening up a certain awareness, eventually afterwards, you’re going to have to do energy work to keep the heart open, because it has a natural way of closing from the effects of the chemicals. So I think, obviously, I’m with being a shaman and maybe more traditional, I have this strong affinity to the natural world. And I feel that all these plants, it’s fascinating to see that like some plants provide DMT and it’s got no real use for themselves. They’re creating something that, on the other hand, plays with our receptors, to connect, and to have conversation. And in that there’s a positive, let’s say, intention to connect and raise our frequency. And we know this, there’s plants that are here to bring us down in frequency. And the shaman got to know that some plants can kill you, right. So not all nature’s wonderful, but you have to understand it, but when you’re using the right plant, I think you’re gonna have a better experience, a better way of integrating it. And it’s healthier and safer for us. And on top of it, there’s this consciousness that’s playing with us. Each plant has a certain conscious awareness, where when we extract the chemicals, and we’re just making the chemicals, there is no consciousness. It’s already ego, that’s, you know, having the effects. It’s it’s and and guiding it. So if we have the proper guide, okay. And we can really do therapeutic work, and we can move so as to go back to if it’s healing, and if it’s done properly in the setting is right, and the guides are right. And there’s the right follow through…

Diva Nagula 49:03
Energy work on the backside?

Manex Ibar 49:04
Exactly, the right support on the backside with the right awareness, because I think a lot of people have good intentions, but they just don’t have all the education. And that’s why like, I mean, in the shamanic realms it’s seven years of initiation, usually, because it takes that long, especially for you to understand, like, there’s something tricky about our minds and our egos. We get a certain amount of knowledge and very quickly, the ego wants to own it, but to be really at service and to hear it, you have to go to certain other layers of mastery of your ego so that it doesn’t get in the way. And oftentimes, that’s when we get the deeper knowledge of wait yes, the plant does this but it also does this, this this, you know, and to treat that there’s this whole other process and it just takes time to really go through that initiation of really understanding these.

Diva Nagula 49:57
That’s fantastic running close to being out of touch. Time, but I want to I have two questions that I want to ask you. What are your thoughts on people doing these plant medicines on a regular basis supervised or unsupervised? What would be your best advice if a person is interested in expanding their consciousness through plant medicines?

Manex Ibar 50:24
I mean, I think if you’re interested in doing it, you should find somebody in your local community that can direct you to a proper guide that’s been doing this for a long time, I would say at least, 10 to 15 years. And that has had positive results, meaning like other people have had transformational breakthrough experiences. I think that the amount of how many times and how consistent it is, really depends on the individual and what they have to clear and what they have to go through and how much they want to raise themselves. But you have to be careful with the addictive personality over society, where we have this need to escape, yeah, and the quick fix, and the, you know, I’m not gonna deal with my things, it’s great to go talk to unicorns and goddesses and this and that, but if you don’t remember your zip code, and you can’t pay the bills, it’s not practical, like the whole point is, we’re meant to raise our consciousness to then come back into the body, and come back into this life, and really enjoy it, and live it with that heart that’s open and full of gratitude, and can make more beauty into the world. So I know some people, they’ve taken ayhuasca 150 times and I feel like they haven’t progressed at all because they’re not integrating it. And I think probably in the world, right now, there’s a lot of centers that are offering these experiences in a safe environment, some with doctors, some of the shamans and this and that, but there’s probably a lack of integration. And unfortunately already having the experience is quite time consuming. The integration is a supervised to continuous work towards the back end. And it’s it is like, where the therapy is, in a sense, the integration of the visions, the interpretations of the visions, the lack of confusion that can come from those visions, because sometimes, we see things that are so incredible. And these plans tell us we’re such incredible beings, but they don’t give you the plan of how to get there from where you are now, so yes, he loves you. But then how do you get there? Well, so yeah, I want another cup together, because it told me oh, it was amazing. I know, actually don’t take in the other cup. Start. Unfortunately, some of these master plans do tell you like so I’ve had experiences where people go back and back and back. And the plan doesn’t give them anything anymore. It just says, go integrate everything I told you, because you’re you’re not gonna teach anymore.

Diva Nagula 53:04
That’s amazing the plant could do that.

Manex Ibar 53:06
It is amazing. And the world is perfect as it is in a weird way. And I think just concentrating on making yourself better and really being responsible with yourself and facing yourself in an honest way. But what are you doing because we all know, when we’re pushing too far, or when we’re in the real authentic, I’m in a pursuit to heal, raise consciousness and be of service.

Diva Nagula 53:33
Right. Awesome. And then the last thing I want to ask is, what is your favorite master plant and

Manex Ibar 53:41
Hmm, that’s a good one. Getting into my personal stuff, I really love San Pedro, the cactus, it’s something that’s just so incredible because I think there’s a lot of wounded masculine energy, we talk a lot about the feminine. And yes, there’s some deep healing that needs to happen in the feminine for sure. But we don’t talk about the deep healing that needs to happen in the masculine and how the masculine has been abused since 1000s of years as well from us going into wars and killing and doing horrible things to protect the woman. And in that, we forget about the joy that the masculine can actually give and the softness of the grandfather and the wisdom of that and somehow, with the San Pedro you get this really beautiful serotonin, it cleanses the serotonin, it opens up the heart so deeply. So it takes away a lot of the stress. And it brings us back into that open heartedness where we’re connected to nature. And so you start seeing this place as a paradise again, and we forgot that we live in paradise and the San Pedro really awakens us back into our central So that we can actually go back to this incredible being that we have of the central exploration of ecstasy. I mean, that’s just incredible. And that you can do this with a simple looking at a tree, sitting on a rock, and have that deep transformation of the gratitude of being alive, rather than the visual trip of, let’s say, the mind, this is a very body experience. And it grounds us really deeply into the potential of how joyful life is. And I think that’s really helpful, especially because there’s a lot of depression and we forget how to get into the joy because of the anxiety that we put on ourselves.

Diva Nagula 55:50
Awesome, thank you! Well, it’s been a pleasure having this conversation with you and thank
you so much for coming on as a guest for my podcast.

Manex Ibar 55:59
Thank you for having me. It’s always a pleasure and you’re doing amazing work. So thank you. Happy to support it.